tv CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow and Jim Sciutto CNN February 28, 2022 7:00am-8:00am PST
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russian convoy slammed with heavy artillery and missiles, russian tanks and armor decimated in the fighting. russian troops now facing strong opposition in many parts of this country. the russian president, vladimir putin, has put his nuclear deterrent forces on high alert. the white house calls it a manufactured threat. however, it is important to know the first use of nuclear weapons including battlefield nuclear weapons is part of russia's military doctrine, it's something that the u.s. military is watching closely. let's begin this morning here in the region. cnn senior national security correspondent alex marquardt is in kyiv this morning. alex, those high level discussions ongoing now between russia and ukraine. what are we hearing from there and are there hopes from ukrainian officials that they make some progress there? >> reporter: well, jim, these
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talks have been under way for just about four hours now. they are happening just across the border to the north of me in belarus. that is notable because president zelenskyy declined to go to the capital of minsk because belarus has been hosting those russian forces for the past few weeks. there are now concerns belarusian forces could join in this invasion of ukraine. these are high level talks. these are not the two presidents zelenskyy and putin who are talking to each other but just below that level. sent an aide to president putin and delegation has an aide to president zelenskyy as well as the defense minister and ukraine went into these talks with the demand of an immediate cease-fire and the immediate withdrawal of russian troops. the kremlin has declined to say what their main goal is, and of course, you could think that maybe they're trying to buy time or simply an excuse to say, oh, look, we tried to negotiate. it remains to be seen what comes out of these talks but this
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fight is not going well for russia right now. there were predictions the capital city could fall within 24 to 48 hours. day five and they're still many miles outside of the capital but we have seen fierce targeting of the two biggest cities in ukraine, notably, kharkiv, which is the second biggest city just to the east of here in the northeastern part of the country just across the border from russia, bombing by the russians who have seen street fighting in the city between ukrainian and russian forces but evidence there of the stiff ukrainian resistance to the russians, literally in some video that we've seen and verified russian forces walking and rolling backwards, literally being pushed back by these ukrainian troops. obviously, the russians have a lot more fight in them. they're one of the biggest militaries in the world. ukraine is throwing everything they have at these russian forces to the extent that they are actually, they've set up a formal international legion that foreign fighters can now join in this fight against russia. here in kyiv, things have been
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relatively calm today. curfew lifted earlier this morning allowing residents back out on to the streets. they swarmed supermarkets, cnn went to a number of stores. they were all flooded with people, long lines out the door. someone in one of those lines told our colleague, i think everyone in ukraine is confused. i'm between feeling scared and totally angry. jim? >> yeah, we've heard a lot of that anger but also defiance, sacrifice as well. alex marquardt in kyiv, thanks so much. so we're going to go now to kharkiv. justin, a law student that works as a correspondent for juris news. justin, it's good to have you here. i want you to be safe because based on what we're seeing, this is a very dangerous place to be. you posted some tots of smoke rising. can you tell us what you've
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and right with the bombing civilians. there is no military strategic objects in those areas we're bombing. >> i was going to ask you, justin, is there any evidence that those bombs that are falling, perhaps rockets as well, are aimed at military assets or they just aimed from what you can tell or at least falling purely in residential areas? >> as i said, yesterday and the day before, the bombs directly came, no such military objects, military bases, airports, and so, today, it's been different
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because no military objects. and it's largely just the civilian region. none strategically. >> as you've been there, and i know it must be difficult, and by the way, i don't want you to leave a safe place where you are, but with what you've seen so far, have you been able to tell what kind of weapons are being used? we had a former american general on a short time ago who said he suspects they are cluster bombs, as you know, where one rocket will open up and release, perhaps 100 grenade sized w weapons. have you seen any evidence of use of cluster bombs?
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>> the russian military machines that they used, hurricane installation, but they're not used in kharkiv. much harder areas like herson and bermir areas, mostly until now and kharkiv, it's used with the military station. which is basically 20 per second. launched at specific objects. 30 meters of area. what's used in our towns currently, even right now, i think. >> yeah, our reporter who's across the border from you in russia has seen those ground missiles firing like a fireworks
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display in the sky. i understand you volunteered for the reserves, the ukrainian military reserves in september. have you been called up? do you expect to fight? >> one reason why i can't go is the fact i'm a full-time student in kharkiv, that's why i'm not obliged to go to the army but the second reason i won't do that, my father is in estonia, and i'm directly responsible for my family members, my mom and sister. so i can't physically even mentally leave them alone in such dangerous areas even though i would really like to go and help our army directly. but i contact my peers from the
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ukrainian in particular, they're conducting several volunteer channels. they're using cyber war tactics to attack the russian web sites, russian strategic points, and i tried to help from a distance. >> well, listen, i know everyone, yourself included, doing the best they can to do their part. justin, you're in a very dangerous place right now. i would just say please stay safe. take every precaution you can, and thanks so much. >> thank you. thank you. >> remarkable. as we hear more and more of those stories, so important to hear from everyone on the ground there. how they are handling this. in the meantime, we know the u.s. is ratcheting up the financial pressure on russia, cutting off the country from billions of dollars. it's just the latest in a series
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of surgical sanctions from the united states. john harwood at the white house, i want to go to you. president biden holding a call with allies shortly. what can we expect from that? >> reporter: i'd expect, erica, they're going to discuss both sides of this conflict. that is, the military side and alex marquardt was reporting a few minutes ago, this is not going well for russia. the bravery of ukrainian forces standing up to defend their homeland is part of that, but you've also had a coming together of the western alliance. nato, european union, military aid flowing, the united states, germany, even sweden and switzerland. the other side of it, of course, is the economic side. and the last week, they began, the united states and european union to implement modest sanctions, which, as the conflict went on, has got steadily more and more aggressive.
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this officials outlining sanctions that prevents their ability to defend the ruble. we see immediate consequences for russia in terms of their economy. the ruble down substantially today. the russians kept the markets closed because of the potential impact, expectation of goods shortages and inflation surging in russia but another thing they'll be talking about is the blowback on the united states and the european union themselves. they've tried to design these sanctions to minimize that, exemptions for energy, for example, but you are going to see some effects on higher energy prices and american markets are down this morning as well. the challenge, erica, is going to be sustaining that unity in the west, even as the consequences hit here in europe. >> in europe, secretary general,
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natasha, saying the alliance is really stepping up its support of ukraine. what specifically can we expect from that? what might that involve? >> reporter: more weapons, essentially. anti-tank missiles, air defense sl systems to ukraine to give them more of an edge against the russian military. the feeling is the ukrainians have been overperforming, defied expectations and the russian military underperforming. well, the eu and nato and the u.s. want to keep that momentum going. so we have seen over the last few days, for example, the united states, joe biden, the president said that he is going to authorize up to $350 million in additional security assistance to ukraine and that will primarily be defensive weaponry. germany from its own stockpile in a major shift here providing weapons directly to ukraine in order to help them defend themselves. the bottom line here is that nee
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tou nato is not going to send military forces to help fight this war but everything to give them an advantage over the russians. obviously, it's a massive military. the russian military and they're conducting a major operation there. so the ukrainians really need all of the help they can get, so the hope is that by giving them ammunition, by giving them these anti-tank missiles, air defense stinger missiles, that will allow them to maintain this momentum over the russian military. the ukrainians, of course, saying this is all very helpful, we appreciate this, but we still want an answer as to whether we'll ever be able to join the european union or nato. >> natasha chen, john harwood, thank you to both. the front lines, russian forces face fierce resistance from ukrainian fighters. an aggressive move from the biden administration. ramping up sanctions on russia. we're going to speak about the u.s. strategy against russia
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to help keep its economy afloat in the midst of all this. joining me to discuss, democratic senator mark warner of virginia, chairman of the senate select committee. thank you so much for taking the time this morning. >> jim, thank you. >> first, if i can, i want to get your assessment of the battlefield. we're only five days in, so it's early. but as you know better than me, the ukrainian military has already outperformed. russia continues to move troops forward. it is suffering losses though. where do you see this going from here? can the ukrainian military sustain this? >> well, again, i think we all have been amazed but also stand firmly with the ukrainian e ian people, the ukrainian military. president zelenskyy has been a profile of courage reporting from kyiv and i think if we look at virtually every component,
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things have played out better than we hoped. first of all, i would say the american intelligence was spot on predicting this invasion, predicting the extent of putin's efforts, they would not simply be in the east but take the population centers all across the country. we've also seen all of the issues that some of my republican friends wanted the president to move on. we've all been successful. we sanctioned nord stream 2. we've seen personal sanctions against putin and joins qaddafi and assad with the few world leaders with sanctions, and these financial sanctions at the level of almost financial war. the currency that generally these settlements were made in. the ukrainian resistance much stronger. i think putin underestimated in terms of sending in the troops,
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didn't do that at first but launching major cyber hits. where we go from here is really, again, a bit of unchartered territory because i wish the ukrainians launched their forces a few weeks back but you see citizens now step up but be realistic that putin has some of the best into the battle so it's still going to be icy. >> some weapons, some horrible weapons he hasn't used yet. i want to ask you about putin himself because going into this, there was a tendency to describe him as 10 feet tall. the brilliant strategist, never makes a wrong move. clearly, as you said, this has not gone to plan, at least in the early stages. do you believe he, and there's been some speculation, frankly, about his decision-making, what do you think went wrong here for him and do you have questions
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about whether he's making rational decisions at this point? >> well, jim, what we've seen out of putin and this is all on public reporting, is that over the last couple of years with covid, he's been extremely covid-phobic, he's not been in the kremlin very much. he's been down in sochi or at one of his many, many homes outside of moscow, and when you've got an authoritarian leader who's been in power for over 20 years and you have less and less inputs and people who are inputs giving inputs, they're sycophants and people who don't want to give bad news to the boss, you end up making bad decisions and you can see this, again, i commend you and other american media because these images of some of the russian military leaders clearly appearing shocked or not responding as putin demanded, we saw that with his security council efforts, putin's security council efforts last
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week, i think there's some, we assume there's grumbling maybe going too far, but the level of resistance even coming from the russian population is a good sign. i am actually surprised for a moment that putin has not tried to shut down the internet and these western news sources because he is losing the information battle as well. >> yeah. and russians will eventually see and learn if they are not already of the losses here. let me ask you this before we go, because the russian president put his nuclear deterrent forces on alert this weekend. i know the white house has described this as a manufactured threat but you and i also know that this is a leader who does not like to lose and that the russian military doctrine does allow for the u.s. tactical nuclear weapons in response to conventional attacks and i wonder how seriously you're taking that statement from the russian president. >> we have an authoritarian leader that puts his nukes on a
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higher alert, we all have to be concerned. obviously, this is not the hand of a strong leader, it's grasping at straws. it does raise my continued concern that if we actually saw russia dramatically elevate its cyber attacks, for example, if it were to shut down all the power in ukraine and consequently, that might bleed into poland where it affects naval troops or polishe dying because of a cyber attack that bleeds into poland with nuclear weapons on alert. you're suddenly into a pretty scary potential article v violation where if you attack one nato nation, you attack all 30. we're still in unchartered territory. >> yeah. and in that case, you'd have russia in direct conflict with nato. senator mark warner, thank you
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so much. we appreciate the work you do and the work you're doing this morning. >> jim, stay safe. thank you. >> will do. still ahead here, as vladimir putin does put russia's nuclear forces at high alert as jim and senator warren were talking about, what tools do western allies have at this point? the head of the former cia russia operations.
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at this hour, the fighting continues. talks are ongoing between ukrainian and russian officials near the border with belarus over the past several days. just remarkable scenes as ukrainian forces, even ordinary citizens push back against russian forces across this country. there is this video into cnn just this morning showing broken down russian military vehicles on the side of the road. this just south of blelgorod an right there. fred pleitgen, i want to begin with you. remarkable vantage point. you have a seat there where you can watch all the hardware coming into this country from the northeast. what kinds of weapons and how
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many are you seeing come in? >> reporter: yeah, certainly, jim. and some of the things that we're seeing come in, sort of a prelude of what happens on the battlefield especially kharkiv area and especially residential areas now been shelled with rocket artillery and that was one of the things we were able to see here as far as the gear is concerned, over the past couple of hours, on several occasions, we saw heavy russian, multiple rocket launchers called urugon moving closer to the front line. we're at the last checkpoint before you get to the kharkiv area, the ukrainian border, we saw at least three of the launchers move that way into the direction of ukraine, also a loading system that actually did have the missiles on it as well. the russians moving that here closer towards kharkiv and that certainly is a sign that
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possibly the attack on the city is going to intensify, as of course, the russians in that kharkiv area have broken through one of the defensive rings there and there are russian forces in the city, but the fighting there still very much going on. obviously, ukrainians still in control of most of that city. the other thing that i think is interesting from our vantage point as well, jim, which we've also seen is that the russians seem to be rotating forces through. just before we went to air here, there was a massive long convoy of russian forces that left the area of the battlefield, and i could see soldiers actually inside the backs of those trucks and a lot of them certainly did look fairly tired moving away from the battlefield. it seems the russians rotating forces through, but nevertheless, from our vantage point here from around this area, we can see that there are still a lot of russian forces stationed here. the possibility to further escalate all of this, still very much there, jim. >> yeah. no question, we did have general hertling on earlier. he said he saw this in the
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videos, cluster munitions being used there in kharkiv. nick paton walsh, i understand you have new reporting on what's been one of the most captaivatig stories of this so far. the ukrainian soldiers defending snake island in the black sea. they were believed to have been dead. do we have new information? >> reporter: ukrainian navy says they're alive and well, all 82 of them, hard to confirm but let's play again the audio of the last moments that we thought, we were led to believe by volodymyr zelensky, with the best information he had at the time. told to surrender, the response, become a legend of its own in the war. here's what they had to say.
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> now that passive sort of story that's grown around them here, ukrainian navy saying they're alive and well, we saw apparently on russian state media, people who pitted that description, all the reports, but adds to the mythology, part of the battle for the black seacoast here. utterly vital and increasing in intensity. we've seen over the past three to four days, by the russian military to keep pushing through the vital bridge there north part of their bid to move west around to where i'm standing here, just had air sirens around here, relatively rare for this port city. the third biggest in ukraine. russians speaking predominantly,
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we saw east to where we are, intense fighting over the past days. tweeted a large columnist headed into that city. it does seem the pace of fighting around here, possibly directed is growing, jim. >> something to remember, yes, remarkable resistance so far but a tremendous russian force still attacking this country from multiple directions. fred pleitgen up in the northeast, nick paton walsh in the south. thanks so much to both of you. erica? >> right now, the united nations is holding an emergency special session of the general assembly on ukraine. it is the first time this time of emergency meeting called in 40 years. moments ago, the secretary general spoke about russia putting nuclear forces on high alert. take a listen. >> this is a chilling development. the mere idea of a nuclear
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conflict is simply unconceivable. nothing can justify the use of nuclear weapons. mr. president. >> joining us now to discuss, cnn national security analyst steve hall who retired in 2015 after serving 30 years in the cia, including in moscow as the former head of the cia's russia operations. we hear those words from the secretary general just a short time ago, senator warner telling jim right here on our air that this is, you have to be concerned about this, but that he sees this clearly as not the hand of a strong leader in terms of that move, that declaration from vladimir putin. how do you take it? >> yeah, erica, i see it very much the same way. you do have vladimir putin who is increasingly looking and i think will increasingly continue to look like a caged animal, like a dog in a corner, but this is going to be especially true as these economic sanctions kick in, especially as they start
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kicking in against oligarchs and others, the intelligence and military types. so when you have the pressure on somebody like putin, it's probably, he really doesn't have any psychological options but to say, well, i'm going to go with the biggest stick i have. which is the nuclear threat. but there is a problem with that and the problem, of course, that can shake the kremlin sort of subleaders, to putin as well. and if i were vladimir putin, i'd be very concerned about what happened to former president gorbachev when there was a coup with the kremlin and went too far and those under him felt comfortable with. that's got to be in the back of putin's mind as well, i think. >> senator warner made a point about the isolation. putin's isolation, small number of advisers that he may or may not listen to, plus with covid, i mean, he's really retreated, but there's also been further speculation based on some of his public comments, his demeanor
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during those public comments he's not the same putin he was a number of years ago. cold, cool, calculating. you've covered russia for years. do you see something similar? >> you know, jim, you've got to be careful not to be, the armchair psychologist and even on the best of days, putin's mind is a dark place filled with cobwebs but we have seen this pattern of behavior that frankly many of us are familiar with when trying to lock down for covid but for an authoritarian leader like putin who has very limited input and output by his own choice, surrounded himself by people he wants to be afraid of him because that's part of the system, how do you tell that guy, putin, hey, things might not be going the way you thought and if that's the case, then you do have this increased isolation. there's a danger with that because does he lash out at some point? but i think also, his s
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sub alterns watching him closely. he's got to know that. >> you've expressed with sanctions, how effective they could be overall but based on what we're seeing and even what we saw this morning, do you think they're beginning to have an impact and do you think they could in fact be successful in some ways here? >> well, it's really interesting, erica. we'll see. i have, i think, with a lot of other folks skeptical with the type of sanctions we've done in the past, which, quite frankly, in my assessment, have been "a" not only things putin calculated but baked into his plan forward but "b," not particularly effective. this is a different scale of sanctions, and when you're talking about the russian markets having to close down entirely, when the russian bank is completely ostracized, i mean, here what you have is a president, putin, who is basically decided, yeah,y i ca live with my country looking more like north korea than france, paris or even china but
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there could be a dangerous impact as well which needs to be taken very seriously which i think we heard senator warner say. >> steve hall, always great to have you with us. appreciate your insight. thank you. facebook's parent company said it's shut down network of pro-russian accounts trying to spread anti-ukrainian disinformation but critics say big tech needs to do a whole lot more. we need to reduce plastic c wase in the environment. that's why at amererica's beverage companies, our bottles are made to be remade. not all plastic is the same. we're carefully designing our bottleto be 100% recyclable, including the caps. th we use to make new bottles. that completes the circle and reduces pltic waste. please help us get every bottle back.
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>> facebook's parent company meta blocked access to russian state media in ukraine. this comes after the company announced it shut down fake pages trying to spread propaganda. calling on plat forms to put a lid on russian propaganda altogether. chief media correspondent brian stelter joining me now. we know propaganda is key to putin and putin's plans but senator mark warner said to jim sciutto, he said what surprised him is that putin hasn't tried to shut down the internet himself, including access to western news sources in russia. looking at how these two play out is also interesting. >> it absolutely is. we know that many russians watched on television, this is propaganda from russia today and other networks but access to internet is an alternative that provides access to frankly, the ground truth of what's going on and we see some russian web sites being hacked. multiple reports of russian media web sites being hacked
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with anti-putin messages posted on them in the past few hours basically publicizing the reality of what's going on on the ground in ukraine and assailing putin, signs that putin is losing this information war. that's one level. another level, the "new york times" said they're winning the pr battle, that's less important than the physical work on the ground but it is critical around the world. zelenskyy has been able to gather support. the ukrainians able to gather the world support online in this digital age. >> even my 15-year-old brought that up to me yesterday saying no matter what, the president of ukraine looks good because he's the hero to his people and even if he loses, he was trying hard to fight. that's interesting from a kid on the tiktok and instagram watching those things but what we see from meta and the push to do more, how much in terms of answering that call? >> the roots of this goes back years, back to the prior
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campaign and war in syria and the donald trump presidency and the blocking of donald trump after the january 6th insurrection. look at what the european commissioners said on twitter overnight. online platforms took unprecedented steps after the capitol hill attacks. surely, russian war propaganda merits the same lev of rel of response. you need to ban trump after the insurrection and putin now. tougher measures against russian propaganda. whether or not, that's the debate but youtube, facebook, twitter, they're trying to show they're being global citizens on the right side of history. whether they do enough remains to be seen. >> absolutely. brian, appreciate it, thank you. still to come here, you're going to hear from two young ukrainian civilians who just volunteered to join the fight against the russians. hear what they told jim. stay with us.
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welcome back. new this morning. switzerland has announced that it will forego its commitment to swiss neutrality in favor of adopting sanctions against russia. this announcement comes from swiss federal president this morning adding that switzerland's sanctions will be in line with those already adopted by the european union.
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that's remarkable, erica. >> it really is. the swiss federal president also saying, quote, this is an unparalleled action of switzerland who's always stayed neutral before. really need to underline that. >> not this time. ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky put out a global call to action urging foreign fighters to join his nation's defense of ukraine and he goes on to say, europe and the world order as well. ukraine's military and growing civilian volunteer forces standing tall and defiant in the face of russian aggression. despite being outgunned and outnumbered. i spoke to some of those brave volunteers this morning. young and old, students and retirees, veterans and non-veterans. these are the volunteers for ukraine's citizens army, the territorial defense force. tell me why you came to volunteer. >> we came to volunteer because
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ukraine are the strong nation and we feel all ukrainians are united. >> reporter: zachary and karil, friends and university students are ready to fight, they're just 19. >> very proud of our army. >> this volunteer told us he's an excellent sharp shooter. he's 73. >> i'm a bit ill but ready to die for ukraine. these are simple things. >> reporter: in lviv, too many volunteers. many waiting days just to sign up and at the blood bank here, too much blood. they're turning donors away now. >> we have many donors, around 400 people a day. >> reporter: russian forces invade their country, ukrainians are helping any way they can. in the north, families are turning old clothes into
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camouflage nets to conceal tanks and trenches. this is not a symbolic effort. this is a real war with real dangers. soldiers and civilians are dying. are you afraid for your lives because what you're volunteering to do is dangerous. >> we don't fight because we know it's our home here, we feel that if you want to have a home, it's going, it's better to die than not have a home. >> do you feel the same? >> yes, of course, and churchill defenses, easiest way now to join army and to help army. >> reporter: national spirit, and as now has become familiar in this war, a few colorful words for russia. >> for russia, we'll be in kyiv one day, [ bleep ] yourselves.
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>> not the first time i've heard that defiance here and i'm sure we'll hear it again, but boy, they're willing to sacrifice it all. thanks so much to all of you for joining us today. i'm jim sciutto in lviv, ukraine. >> i'm erica hill in new york. "at this hour" with kate bolduan picks up after this quick break. stay with us. l working hard enough? mine is. revitalift night serum with pure retinol from l'oreal. what makes ours so effective? it's formulated with pure retinol, our most potent retinonol. for us dermatologists, pure retinol is the gold standard to visibly reduce wrinkles, even deep ones. l'oreal serum is so effective, in a clinical study 100% of women showed reduction of wrinkles. revitalift pure retinol night serum from l'oreal paris. prefer a moisturizer? try revitalift pressed night cream.
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